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NCSoft Being Sued for 100million USD. --Linage2, MMORPG.
#1
Posted 11 March 2007 - 08:34 PM
Topic Lineage News - All Versions
NCSOFT CORPORATION sued for $100M in a Class Action filing related to the company’s MMORPG Lineage2 San Mateo, California June 5, 2006 ? NCSOFT North America was named in a lawsuit seeking class-action status in United States District Court for the Central District of California. The lawsuit seeks $100M in exemplary and punitive relief and contends that NCSOFT CORPORATION a South Korean Company breached its contractual obligations, engaged in false advertising, and committed credit card fraud in connection with its Massive Multi-player Online Role Playing Game MMORPG Lineage 2.
The suit was brought forward by 28 year old Brian Durin, after his Lineage 2 account was terminated by NCSOFT without any justification, notification, refund, or means of recourse. The 227 page lawsuit alleges On March 12, 2006, Durin’s Lineage2 account was terminated by NCSOFT without any provision of an explanation or notification. Durin had spent over 500 hours in playing and leveling his online character in the online world of Lineage 2.
His repeated attempts to solicit an answer from the company as to the reason for his account termination was met with silence. Durin argues that NCSOFT’s actions are in violation of its own End User License Agreement EULA. Additionally, that the company violated the player-provider contract by terminating his account without providing any justification for the termination, or a method of recourse for him to pursue. He contacted NCSOFT, and PLAYNC the online billing/receivables for the company for a refund of the unused portion of his “gaming time” and was told by the company that no refund would be issued.
His credit card continued to be charged for additional months even though he could not play. Refunds for the additional charges were not refunded as well. The suit claims that NCSOFT’s action surrounding it’s credit card charging process constitutes fraud. Durin’s lawsuit further contends that he bought the game without knowing that hundreds of automated characters, referred to in the community as “bots”, were rampant throughout the online world. That these bots, referred to as a “3rd party program” within the game’s EULA, made it impossible to enjoy the game, hampered leveling a character, and was never mentioned in the companies EULA or marketing that a player would be subjected to these automated characters bots.
153 Articles of Evidence were entered with the lawsuit showing in detail that NCSOFT was fully aware that these bots were prevalent within the Lineage 2 game. Records of the Lineage2 forum site were provided showing how the company censors and deletes any topics/threads/posts related to the discussion of bots within the game’s environment. Some articles even detail how an internal NCSOFT employee used a bot, to level their own character. An affidavit of support attesting to the allegations made in the lawsuit was attached from Ki Su Lin, a former South Korean GameMaster for NCSOFT Korea. Lin claims that NCSOFT knowing allows a certain percentage of bots to exist in Lineage2 for game economics as well as the company’s own profit based agenda.
Lin states that when he started to work for the company last year, he banned every bot that was petitioned when a players sees a bot, they have the ability to petition a GameMaster online to remove the bot but was quickly told by the Head GameMaster HGM to cease with his activities. In the ensuing 9 months of his employment he was only able to terminate nine 9 accounts for botting the process of running a bot in-game.
He states that he received in excess of 2000 petitions related to botting from characters but was instructed to only investigate the petitions and not to terminate any accounts. In Lin’s affidavit, he states “NC made it clear to me that they didn’t want to ban the bots because it would mean lost revenue for them. I think that the bots make up anywhere from 30 to 40 of the community. So banning the bots would result in a 40 decrease in revenue. Everybody knew this, and accepted it.” The affidavit also states that NCSOFT engaged in deceptive practices related to preventing the proliferation of bots in Lineage 2.
Lin refers back to a memo he received, “The memo said that there was to be now public acknowledgement of the botting problem. Any public questions about bots in the game were to be answered with ‘we’re working on it.’” Lin’s account of banning players detailed, “Anytime a player started making too much noise about botting or anything like that we banned them. I thought it was unfair but that’s what we were told to do. No player was allowed to talk about bots in the forums, or name a person that was botting. When a player always petitioned us, we would call them a “pet” and sometimes we banned them because they would rally other players to petition us about bots. We really couldn’t have that.”
Durin insists he never used a 3rd party program, himself as he accessed Lineage2 exclusively at Internet Cafes that have imaged drives and don’t facilitate the use of Bots in any of the games that they host on their computers. That he never conducted himself in any type of behavior that would have resulted in an account termination. He believes his termination may be related to the dozens of petitions he sent to the online GMs everyday he played. Over eighteen 18 pages containing 211 signatures from players whose accounts have been terminated, received credit card charges, no refunds, and no explanations was entered in support of the Plaintiff’s motion seeking Class Action status.
Also attached to the suit was a Motion to Subpoena the records of NCSOFT concerning its billing policies and policies related to the conduct of its GameMasters in regards to bots and account terminations and all records evidencing 3rd party programs. The suit seeks relief by 1. $100M in damages 2. Immediate investigations/banning of 3rd party programs 3. Instituting justification / refunds / redress for players The suit was served to NCSOFT by Federal Marshals at their Los Angles location on June 2, 2006. John Crittenden of Cooley Godward LLP, NCSOFT’s Attorneys issued no comment or statement concerning the suit.
#6
Posted 12 March 2007 - 04:15 AM
You could also call this ghost-billing. Bills for things you never bought.
I'm actually amazed that they handle such a businesspractice.

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#7
Posted 12 March 2007 - 07:43 AM

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#9
Posted 13 March 2007 - 06:42 PM
Let's say NCsoft goes bankrupt. They stop licensing their game engine, and InixSoft is either forced to terminate Kal-Online, or they don't, and they get sued into the ground.
It's very possible. I know you guys are laughing about L2, but you didn't realize how it might affect Kal.

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#11
Posted 13 March 2007 - 10:26 PM
I think it is long past time that there are more stringent measures taken to protect the End User/Gamer.
Prehaps this will force other Companies to review their internal processess.
Should the aforementioned company go bankrupt then I think it will send ripples out through the market and various communities.
Good to see someone actually take a stand and doing something rather than listening or reading the masses who just bitch but won't actually do something!!!
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#12
Posted 14 March 2007 - 05:31 AM
The real ncsoft killer will be, when everyone has guildwars, and either have all the expansions, or dont want anymore.. they'll stop making profits
This post has been edited by Rizz: 14 March 2007 - 05:37 AM
#13
Posted 14 March 2007 - 07:05 AM
If only every game could be brought to justice like this.
#14
Posted 14 March 2007 - 10:47 AM
Rizz, on Mar 13 2007, 01:25 PM, said:
Guild Wars has an item mall to help fund it =P.
But haha L2 is being sued that's hilarious.

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#15
Posted 14 March 2007 - 01:00 PM

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#16
Posted 14 March 2007 - 01:48 PM
Fragman52, on Mar 13 2007, 08:54 PM, said:
But I personally think inix's complete and utter incompetence has royally ****ed up a game that had a lot of potential. Hopefully this lawsuit will wake inix up and they'll give the game some much needed overhauls or they'll close it. Either would be an improvement over it limping on as it is now.
This post has been edited by Itami: 14 March 2007 - 01:48 PM

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Runetotem (Official):
Setsunai - 80 Tauren Druid Moo
Onryou - 80 Undead Warlock
Tsukishiro - 80 Death Knight pvp whore
And I looked, and beheld a pale horse: and her name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with her. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth...and with 20% increased mounted speed, and with 20% reduction to the duration of all stun and fear effects.
Old stuff: Kal FAQ//Quest List//All things mage//Misc
Druid Builds I use:
Raid Resto(inactive build atm)
Boomkin
Feral Tank
#17
Posted 14 March 2007 - 03:11 PM
Itami, on Mar 14 2007, 01:42 PM, said:
But I personally think inix's complete and utter incompetence has royally ****ed up a game that had a lot of potential. Hopefully this lawsuit will wake inix up and they'll give the game some much needed overhauls or they'll close it. Either would be an improvement over it limping on as it is now.
I agree 100%. I remember playing Kal before and just thinking all the stuff they could do to make it so uber that everyone would love it. Then they went and did all the retarded shit they did and the game has pretty much died.
At this point, I don't care if Inix Soft gets sued like this Lineage 2 company. They have done so much stupid shit to people I know in game, and played with for so long they deserve it.

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#18
Posted 15 March 2007 - 04:37 AM
Rizz, on Mar 13 2007, 11:25 PM, said:
You are completely right. However... Should this guy win, it might get other people to sue them. Afterall, IF he wins, you have a waaaay stronger case.
Stronger case, much more likely to win, less costs.
For those who don't understand the way it works, the loser has to pay for both the lawyers. BUT!!! That is after they lose. Up to that moment, the other party has to pay it all themselves. (Heh, here anyway)

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#19
Posted 15 March 2007 - 10:03 PM
Hear my story. Like 7 month ago I ordered kal cash.
I sent Inixsoft my money per banktransfer and got blocked. (blocked for no reason)
2 days after I got blocked I recieved the kal cash on my account.
I cant use it, I cant even gift it.
I called the gms twice and asked them if its possible to transfer my kal cash, my own money I invested in their game, on a other program. They said no.
Could I sue them? Only curious
#20
Posted 15 March 2007 - 10:50 PM
Catalines, on Mar 15 2007, 05:57 AM, said:
Hear my story. Like 7 month ago I ordered kal cash.
I sent Inixsoft my money per banktransfer and got blocked. (blocked for no reason)
2 days after I got blocked I recieved the kal cash on my account.
I cant use it, I cant even gift it.
I called the gms twice and asked them if its possible to transfer my kal cash, my own money I invested in their game, on a other program. They said no.
Could I sue them? Only curious
Probably, since you've esentially paid for services that they are now refusing to give you and also refusing to give you a refund as well. Could qualify as fraud maybe.
But yeah considering people sue mcdonalds after they burn themselves with their own coffee and stupid you could totally sue for this.

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Tsukishiro - 80 Death Knight pvp whore
And I looked, and beheld a pale horse: and her name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with her. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth...and with 20% increased mounted speed, and with 20% reduction to the duration of all stun and fear effects.
Old stuff: Kal FAQ//Quest List//All things mage//Misc
Druid Builds I use:
Raid Resto(inactive build atm)
Boomkin
Feral Tank
#21
Posted 16 March 2007 - 01:03 AM
There was some girl who was going on this night club, but he didn't want to pay to get in there. So she decided to go by the toilet window.. Then he came down on her face and broke her nose.. So the girl decided to sue the night club and got like few millions out of it.. DUH!

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#22
Posted 16 March 2007 - 02:35 AM
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few mils?
it's time for me to go to some dance club :roll:
#23
Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:43 AM
qrazil, on Mar 15 2007, 08:57 AM, said:
There was some girl who was going on this night club, but he didn't want to pay to get in there. So she decided to go by the toilet window.. Then he came down on her face and broke her nose.. So the girl decided to sue the night club and got like few millions out of it.. DUH!
That reminds me of a similar story.
A would-be robber decides it would be a bright idea to try climbing up and a house roof to try breaking in through a skylight. He falls through the skylight over the kitchen and lands on a knife that had been left out getting severally cut. He sued the homeowners for leaving the knife out.
If i remember correctly the robber won.
Now doesn't that just make you die a little inside?
This post has been edited by Itami: 16 March 2007 - 05:44 AM

Currently Playing World of Warcrack
Runetotem (Official):
Setsunai - 80 Tauren Druid Moo
Onryou - 80 Undead Warlock
Tsukishiro - 80 Death Knight pvp whore
And I looked, and beheld a pale horse: and her name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with her. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth...and with 20% increased mounted speed, and with 20% reduction to the duration of all stun and fear effects.
Old stuff: Kal FAQ//Quest List//All things mage//Misc
Druid Builds I use:
Raid Resto(inactive build atm)
Boomkin
Feral Tank
#24
Posted 16 March 2007 - 06:23 AM
Catalines, on Mar 15 2007, 09:57 PM, said:
Hear my story. Like 7 month ago I ordered kal cash.
I sent Inixsoft my money per banktransfer and got blocked. (blocked for no reason)
2 days after I got blocked I recieved the kal cash on my account.
I cant use it, I cant even gift it.
I called the gms twice and asked them if its possible to transfer my kal cash, my own money I invested in their game, on a other program. They said no.
Could I sue them? Only curious
I believe they have this covered in their EULA. So that would be a no :\ (though, if you're really serious, you should go and read the complete EULA).

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#25
Posted 16 March 2007 - 04:06 PM
Itami, on Mar 15 2007, 03:37 PM, said:
qrazil, on Mar 15 2007, 08:57 AM, said:
There was some girl who was going on this night club, but he didn't want to pay to get in there. So she decided to go by the toilet window.. Then he came down on her face and broke her nose.. So the girl decided to sue the night club and got like few millions out of it.. DUH!
That reminds me of a similar story.
A would-be robber decides it would be a bright idea to try climbing up and a house roof to try breaking in through a skylight. He falls through the skylight over the kitchen and lands on a knife that had been left out getting severally cut. He sued the homeowners for leaving the knife out.
If i remember correctly the robber won.
Now doesn't that just make you die a little inside?
That was on the movie liar liar.
#26
Posted 09 June 2007 - 09:25 PM

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 08:19 AM

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#30
Posted 04 September 2007 - 01:37 PM
I wish that guy wins the case.
Of course this would be nonsense when this was happen in Korea, but this guy might win.
They should know each game player is valuavle for them. It's so annoying they always ignore when users have problem.
#31
Posted 05 September 2007 - 06:33 AM

Reason not to CCF.

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